|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
349
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 10:08:14 -
[1] - Quote
The lowest peak in a 30 day horizon is more interesting: You can't pay for a shorter period than 30 days. That means even if not playing a lot there are 30k active and paid accounts. (even if plexed, those plex had to be bought from CCP) After DT Playercount is 0!
Far more reliable data from chribba: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
372
|
Posted - 2015.08.31 14:58:52 -
[2] - Quote
Yesterday evening: 34509 Players logged in!?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
372
|
Posted - 2015.08.31 18:20:28 -
[3] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote: Best week (in early 2013) 36K
Sunday August 30 2015
34509 Ppl logged in...
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
|
Posted - 2015.09.05 07:04:56 -
[4] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:But more seriously, talking directly to you, does it never cross your mind that there may be a problem with how you think about things (or what your motives behind those thoughts are) when you are in the middle of this mindless circle jerk bullshit?
You hever heard about this plane shiny thingy? Its called a mirror. I recommend looking into it. How about your effect on others? Your motives? Your part in this circle stuff?
Jenn aSide wrote:You're a smart (if misguided) fellow, and it would do all of us here in this little community (mainly you) a great deal of good if you could put the breaks on that 'nit-picky contrarian' crap a little bit.
"You and what army?" Oh the fabulous "community", preverably the silently big part behind you, together with some other aggresive forum trolls. Other ppl in EvE beg to differ. Many are just deeply bored with those over angry hate posters,.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
|
Posted - 2015.09.05 09:18:03 -
[5] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Incarna caused a bit of a drop (though less than recent days) but that was nothing to do with PvE. Seems to me that you're just graspings at straws, trying to find a way to blame PVE when really the problems with EVE have nothing to do with any given type of content. Just right now EvE is not the only big spacegame anymore.
EvE is not as shiny as mentioned ones and somewhat it is a little bit like beer. You do not like it as a kid, cause it is bitter, but after a while one develops a taste for it.
So yes, i think too, that the problem is not PvP vs PvE. EvE had both for a long time and grew.
Without brownnosing: Maybe citadel stuff and actual amarr lore go hand in hand to give more new content for every one. As in more lore and more fights in hisec.
And there is always on thing: Every PvE opportunity, is a PvP opportunity too.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
378
|
Posted - 2015.09.14 16:39:01 -
[6] - Quote
Xenom7 wrote: I was asking because I see Jennaside post very direct and definitive arguments for and against things, normally belittling the way others feel and want to operate. But I rarely see suggestions for how to fix it.
I came to the same conclusion, only with lots observed anger in her postings. (hate)
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
381
|
Posted - 2015.09.14 19:11:06 -
[7] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:La Rynx wrote:Xenom7 wrote: I was asking because I see Jennaside post very direct and definitive arguments for and against things, normally belittling the way others feel and want to operate. But I rarely see suggestions for how to fix it.
I came to the same conclusion, only with lots observed anger in her postings. (hate) If you think that's anger, it means you haven't seen anger (not surprising in our bubble warped western world these days). But you're right about hate, I hate stupid.
That adds selfloathing...
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
384
|
Posted - 2015.09.16 18:36:19 -
[8] - Quote
If this thread now is about Plex, it took the wrong turn anyway. Plex prices might be a symptom for anything, but they are not the cause for sinking player counts.
Banning, or stopping Plex trades is manipulating at the wrong places. No wonder thats not a CCP idea, but some naive EvE players. Since Blizzard tries to adopt that technique, one can be surely assume this Plextrade is a success-story.
So please do plex discussions into Plexprice threads, where they are useless too, but at least at the right place.
The real dilema is: EvE is a nich+¿ game, has this nich+¬ been proplerly processed by the markting ppl? Or are the max nich+¿ players reached?
Or should EvE adapt and move some way from the niche it has?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
390
|
Posted - 2015.09.19 09:12:34 -
[9] - Quote
Daniela Doran wrote:This thread has been on page 1 for a month now. Are people really quiting this game as rapidly as this thread indicates?
No, but there is big need to cry over PLEX beeing to expensive so that it occupies two threads! This one is just a little cloaked.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 14:10:51 -
[10] - Quote
What would be the point of sale in a commercial? it is a sandbox. (aka the developer did not create enough content) it is very complex. a lot of users are dicks, who will discuss with you how important it is to kick newbies into the curbs, because they where kicked. where some users start to whine about every single change. EvE space is like water, without engine running, the ship will stop. if you joined and play PvE you will be called names and mocked badly if you mine, you will be called carebear and worse names even from the worst PvP-loosers. the PvP-loosers will state that they are superior to you. An environment where the most players play PvE but the PvPlers behave like they own the game and not CCP. it is almost impossible to play eve just for 15-30 Minutes to relax.
And i could continue this on and on. No commercial will get you more attendance. The mouth- to mouth Propaganda on the other hand is far spread. A friend asked me about EvE. What could i tell him? He is a married man with limited time. He loves spaceships like me, but as said, he has less time then myself. I can not recommend EvE, without telling him my point of view. Even better: i am asked why *i* play EvE.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 14:34:16 -
[11] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote: pvp'ers are more superior...
Yeah, thanks for proving my point. You have no idea how boring those primitve behavior structures of they guys like you are.
PvElers tackle any different kind of problems, even PvP (a good fight). Those wannabee hardcore PvPlers on the other hand look only for victims and not for a good fight.
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Tell him Eve is far inferior to Elite for the purposes of quick, engaging and uncomplicated gameplay.
Say what you will about Elite, I know many of the L337 here think its crap, but with each patch it gets better and better. The PVE content there alone is already superior to Eve and the game numbers there prove it.
Well i got Elite Dangerous for 13 Bucks, sure i recommend that more easily. I was describing the discussions around EvE.
I repeat the question: Why should one play EvE, considering those points stated?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 14:39:19 -
[12] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Also, screw "quick, engaging and uncomplicated gameplay". If one wants that, why come to EVE in the 1st place?
Ugh, yea, why should one play quick and engaging games, when one can be bullied and offended and can have even more crap?
Why would someone PAY and play for fun? Thats why you can kick any expensive commercial right into the bin.
Why do i still play EvE? I am stubborn and i like to give naive people their own answers right back into their face.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 14:58:06 -
[13] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote: So you ..
Oopsi, you wanna get ad hominem again...
Look what YOU wrote:
Quote:Also, screw "quick, engaging and uncomplicated gameplay". If one wants that, why come to EVE in the 1st place? YOU said EvE is not quick, not engaging and complicated.
Thats the opposite of inviting. You are told what might help, but you do not like what might help and you dislike people who discuss things which might or might not help. Funny point of view you have.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 15:01:21 -
[14] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Some people just want to PLAY a game. Not live it. then stop crying when you fly into my smartbombing battleship, its only a game
You can already stop, you have proven my points very well.
Or you can continue, which is likely, cause you might be one of those PvPl...ers i was talking of.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 15:14:19 -
[15] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote: nah i dont claim to be elite, or superior than anyone else, i was merely implying some sarcasm because thats all it deserved, ill play the game how i want to, thing is i realise its just a game and dont bother crying when i lose something, it amazes me the mails i see you
Yeah you like those other guys i describe, love to put me on your victims list. (codies for eg) To bad for you, i am not.
Also it did not deserve sarcasm, it deserves answers. I stated facts that make EvE unattractive.
You are on: What would make EvE attractive? Plex prices? More PvP with PvElers? Considering EvE as a game and not as something else like Ego-Boosting for RL-Problem ppl?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 15:43:19 -
[16] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:no im nothing like code im affraid, i dont have a victim list, i dont gank, i lose expensive ships and pods all the time, i do all sorts of pve, i post with my main Fascinating, me too! Even that posting stuff. Even for not being one of "those" you know some of their arguments, like they are your own.
Lan Wang wrote: What would make EvE attractive? - aren't we here because we find the game attractive anyway?
I am not asking why i am here. I am asking what would get more ppl into EvE. Thats what the Thread tittle leads me to.
Lan Wang wrote: Plex prices? - its a non issue, supply and demand is at work here, pay a sub if you aint happy
I share this oppinion.
Lan Wang wrote: More PvP with PvElers? - more acceptance thats pve'ers have the same risk as pvp'ers when logged on
Thats one of the main problems.
Lan Wang wrote: Considering EvE as a game and not as something else like Ego-Boosting for RL-Problem ppl? - do you assume people are pirates because they have rl problems, from the mails ive seen sent to pvp'ers from pve'ers id assume the pve'er have the rl problems
Now you sound like those wannabees again and since you can tell that you got those mails, youre story gets fishy.
Why is it so important to shoot at an unarmed / unprepared PvEler instead of an NPC? What else than the feeling to "pay someone something back"? Just out of pure spite? Why do you feel the spite?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.08 15:54:45 -
[17] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:La Rynx wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: So you ..
Oopsi, you wanna get ad hominem again... I realize English isn't your 1st language.
Oh my! Getting teachings of master Yoda a mistake was? Again instead of talking about arguments, you wann make ad hominem attacks again?
Jenn aSide wrote: But you are using that wrong. pointing out that someone who doesn't like the EVE community doesn't like the EVE community isn't "ad hom" anything.
"ad hominem" means instead working on my arguments, you try to offend me. I see that and that is why it is not working. You are not the EvE Community, you are a single entity with a single opinion.
Jenn aSide wrote: If "helping" means "turn EVE into the shallow grindy nothingness Elite is", well, no thanks. EVE shouldn't be 'inviting', it should be challenging (which is "inviting" to people who like challenges and uninviting to everyone else, as it should be).
I did not offer any help, i asked what would make EvE interesting for more Players. A challenge is not enough, it has to be an interesting challenge.
I consider lets play videos and twitch streams the best and honest commercials games can have. Saying that, watching EvE is rarely action packed and exciting.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.09 19:11:41 -
[18] - Quote
Rzed Wombat wrote: PVPers are not the source of all evil.
No, but they do not own EvE either, nor are they the EvE Masterrace. Nor is EvE a PvP game, it is a sandbox. But the constant whining that PvElers do not have enough risk for for their earnings. Drop the rewards , so have to fight too. Thats not how it works. Thats not how people work. People will fight when they are ready for it. When they feel like it! PvPlers too fight only, when they feel like it. You can not force them. You can **** them off, but still you can not force them. I just would like, if you can not **** them off. Because if they get pissed of to much, they might leave. Every Player leaving EvE hurts.
So instead babling crap how to force people who do not want to PvP, you have to get more ppl into the game who PvP. But they do not come, not enough.
Thats the hypocrisy that pisses me off. PvPlers seem not to have enough opponents. Instead of asking how to get more PvPlers into the game, they **** of those people with other playstyles. People who are a major part of EvE. People who pay the subscription.
And even that is all wrong: Of course i am not talking about all PvPlers. Its just a certain group, a group that hides behind the arguments that EvE is harsh and EvE newbros should not feel save. If those guys had "IT" they'd go for strong opponents to win. But some feel like they can talk big, when all they can do is babyseal clubbing.
Again: what would get more Players? I say easy early access with fast and steep learning curve, that give some emotional rewards.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.09 19:18:35 -
[19] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote: When I pop Indah's autopiloting pod and she contacts me about how I am a loser for shooting at defenseless people and rages at me for whatever reason, then that is CLEARLY a sign of self esteem issues. There is no denying that, no matter how much you want to spin it. And it is easily noticable if someone is genuinly butthurt or simply playing and pretending to be.
Popping those things are not the problem. But being surprised when victims get angry? Getting angry is natural and not a self esteam issue. All PvPlers must now this. So if someone goes nuclear, just ignore it. You caused it. Does not matter if the victim was just stupid.
Pay respect to others.
But those "babysealclubbers-mainly", they do have this self-esteam issue. They need to be forced into PvP that means PvP not just shoot demilitarised others.
siiiiigh... which is not that easy either, since much of the fun is, disturbing the production of the enemy early.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
|
Posted - 2015.12.09 19:27:18 -
[20] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:I am 99.99% sure that there is no correlation between people being mad (ergo sending mad messages) and self esteem issues.
i concur!
Again, what might get more players?
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 09:20:42 -
[21] - Quote
Avvy wrote:So EvE isn't as different as you would like to believe.
Bravo! You nailed it.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 09:54:32 -
[22] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:The thing is you can argue the terminology until the end of time, but what does it accomplish? Even if somehow you convince everyone to universally agree that everything in EVE is PvP, they'll then start arguing over "carebear PvP" vs "Pew Pew PvP". At the end of the day the issue is that some people can't deal with other people not playing their way, but that's irrelevant when talking about how mechanics are to players who use them.
Some understand this, but not enough... Sadly this is one circle that threads in GD tend to take.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
460
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 10:17:56 -
[23] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:EVE is an old game, and games don't last forever. Moving into new products is the only way they can realistically hope to grow.
I beg to differ: This are the time where MMOs exist for a while now. Looking at WoW, those games can last very long, BUT: (including EvE) Since they exists for a long time now, they might need some major changes. Changes that maybe disliked by a somewhat large group of players. Those changes could attract more players to compensate for those leaving, but thats very unsure. So neither Blizzard nor CCP dare to make massive changes. Still i think the development is not over.
Watching the discussions for a while now, i understand CCPs hardships very well.
Oh, and more: Who has build a (formerly) successfull Space MMO, so one (CCP) can take his suggestions seriously?
Ppl waddling over plex prices or PvP vs PvE are unable to grasp basic problems and are ignored, since their solutions will most likely not help... (nothing personal guys, just a fact)
Edit: of course CCP will try to get another mainstay... and another... Thats nothing to blame CCP for, quite the opposite. Whereas MMOs like EvE and WoW are cows to mile over a long time, other games are more like short time money injections.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
462
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 10:50:25 -
[24] - Quote
Tiberius Heth wrote:They don't have to make massive changes at all, niche products work just fine as long as they stay true to their niche.
I did not ask for proof, but thank you...
So you belong to the group that dislikes changes.
Becaaaaauuuuuse: For some ppl some changes are big, for others not so much, depending what you are looking at.
You say: eve = niche niche = fine eve = fine
So why the decreasing numbers?
Comes all back: to *changes*
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
464
|
Posted - 2015.12.13 13:35:51 -
[25] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:When EVE was first created gamers were different from how they are now. Now people tend to want faster access to content and won't tolerate waiting around for it anywhere near as much. Many do, some don't. the ones that don't cherish the games that cater to them. That is why it's called "niche". You're trying to use reasoning to suit your agenda. And you're trying to pretend that niches never shrink. The fact is that what gamers want is largely controlled by their experiences with games overall and less new gamers are interested in games like EVE than when EVE first launched as games tend to be a lot faster paced these days. Like I say, EVE can stick to it's niche, but don't be surprised if CCP move their development focus onto newer products and leave EVE with legacy support.
The "Angst" is big in EvE...
I do not want guess to much what CCP / Hilmar will do with EvE. CCP knows the numbers, still they bought a *new* server cluster. Solace was repacked and is on its way to England.
Why would CCP care for what is written in this forum? Helloooohooo, anybody home? Every, literaly EVERY little change is acompanied by "do not like" and "change it back" threads. So what? You know what a requierement is to be an eve developer? You have to be playing eve. So calm down drink a quafe and undock!
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
467
|
Posted - 2015.12.19 11:12:53 -
[26] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:I'd rather see more "****-U" devs. I'd rather trust professionals to make the design decisions for the game, rather than bend to every whim of the community. Now that's not to say they shouldn't listen to people, they should just be much more capable of trusting their own judgement and not compromising at every turn fearing that someone will get upset. Pretty much devs that fall directly between those two categories.
I agree, some "themes" the "community" talks about are dead horses or red herings. Neither "plex prices" nor "risk aversion" are real existing problems.
Good changes hurt. Best example IMO is much hated "fozzy sov". It has been done for a good reason, no matter how much ppl where pissed of. Since a gamer coaliton got so strong grew so strong, that it could project their power over all new eden, there had to be done something. But there is the problem: the sov holder belong to probably the biggest group of players. How do you change something, that will pi-ss of that many players without loosing to many of them?
Whatever CCP changes, there will always be people who hate those changes. community whishes? hell no! They made frostline where you can get very expensive stuff by luck. And everything peachy? Nope!
Try cutting to the basics. What might all players want? I say: entertainment.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
469
|
Posted - 2015.12.28 19:01:03 -
[27] - Quote
Cam Me'Leone wrote:I think I have the answers I was looking for.
I'm a casual player. Me to.
Anyway: discussions with that remiel guy are pointless, since he is incapable of understanding other points than his own. :P
Just look at his answers to Lucas Kell where he just gets ad hominem.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
471
|
Posted - 2015.12.29 13:09:05 -
[28] - Quote
Whatever: Please keep in mind, that even if going down, the subscriptions are somewhat stable, even with sinking numbers. Adding the other income for plex and aur sales. All in all we do not have the hard numbers, to make educated guesses.
Pessimism does not help and might even harmful.
I see the problem for CCP (for all MMO corps) that the player bases does not like major changes. Even if the changes might lead to a even better gamen. So has Blizzard, where a major change in the battlesystem was discussed.
I just went back to BF4 to learn, that they upgraded the tickrates from 10(!) to 30-144 ticks per second. Compare that with 1s ticks...
Hmm thinking to much about it makes me pessimistic too...
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
471
|
Posted - 2016.01.03 10:36:52 -
[29] - Quote
Top Guac wrote:That's ok. You aren't really an Eve player anyway. Nothing of value will be lost.
Yeah, one reads that often. Still nothing could be more wrong. EvE,CCP and the actual playerbase need every activ account they can get.
I could elaborate on that, but i do not want anymore. I do not care anymore.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
471
|
Posted - 2016.01.03 16:51:32 -
[30] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Top Guac wrote:(...) That's ok. You aren't really an Eve player anyway. Nothing of value will be lost. "Meh, I don't want you a customer" is a funny idea but nobody who makes a living by selling his brain's work can really afford it.
Its the same as
"i did not want that ship anyway..."
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
|
|
|
|
|